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Depends on which Rizzini it is. There are several Rizzini companies, B. Rizzini and Fabbrica Armi Isidoro Rizzini (FAIR) being the most commonly seen. Both companies have made guns under various labels (B. Riz made some of the Sig shotguns, and FAIR made the Cortonas and some of the Veronas, as well as a few other labels). The B. Rizzinis are generally more nicely finished than a Beretta at a similar price point, and the FAIR guns can vary from pretty darn good to excellent, depending on which version you are looking at. As an example, the FAIR/Cortona line had O/Us with MSRP from about $1500 to $4500. The $4500 guns were nicer than the $1500 guns, in about the same range as the Beretta White Onyx to the 687EL. The Cortonas are discontinued and really nice ones can be found new for under $2500. The best value in Sig/Rizzinis is probably the SA5, under $2500 used.
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Rp,
Is the Guerini line part of one of the Rizzini companies?
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Hi Hot Rod:
For your hunting a Franchi O/U would be a great choice!
They sell one that is very nice and is lightweight at about $1200.00 USD.
I do not think that you need a 3" 12 gage for pheasants! A 2-3/4" magnum 12 will be all that you need! Plus, a 3" magnum in a 6 lb. gun would make you wish that you had died in infancy!
I sometimes shoot a Beretta Ultralight and a 2-3/4" magnum is more than I need to kill pheasants over a pointer! Regular "low brass" six shot is fine for pheasants over a pointer.
In 1970, I moved to High River and the fields east of there were full of birds of all kinds!
Look at a Franchi O/U and you will see that it is not worth spending $1000.00 more for a Beretta! I was lucky to find a used Beretta Ultralight and it is a great gun if you insist upon a 12 gage.
Are you planning to hunt with a dog?
Good luck,
Franchi
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Take a look at http://colegun.com/ Cole's is the East Coast Beretta specialist and can custom build a gun to your specs. Gil
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Depends on which Rizzini it is. There are several Rizzini companies, B. Rizzini and Fabbrica Armi Isidoro Rizzini (FAIR) being the most commonly seen. Both companies have made guns under various labels (B. Riz made some of the Sig shotguns, and FAIR made the Cortonas and some of the Veronas, as well as a few other labels). The B. Rizzinis are generally more nicely finished than a Beretta at a similar price point, and the FAIR guns can vary from pretty darn good to excellent, depending on which version you are looking at. As an example, the FAIR/Cortona line had O/Us with MSRP from about $1500 to $4500. The $4500 guns were nicer than the $1500 guns, in about the same range as the Beretta White Onyx to the 687EL. The Cortonas are discontinued and really nice ones can be found new for under $2500. The best value in Sig/Rizzinis is probably the SA5, under $2500 used. thank you for this information, i was looking on the rizzini usa page specificaly at the Aurum model.
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Take a look at http://colegun.com/ Cole's is the East Coast Beretta specialist and can custom build a gun to your specs. Gil My experiences with Coles have been very good, but their custom guns start around $6k, so they would not fit this budget. My first OU was a Franchi Alcione - used, they can be had for $1k or even a little less and you would be hard pressed to find a better gun for that price. The entry level Guerini (Woodlander) is about $3k new, which is $1k more than the 686 Beretta SP1 or White Onyx. The Guerini will be a bit better finished, have much better customer service (assuming you need it) and has three free clean/overhauls. Long, pointless debates could be had about which shoots better and will last longer. Both are good guns - the Beretta will probably hold value better on resale. I haven't spent much time with B. Rizzinis but my understanding is that their entry level guns are a good value compared to Guerinis (very similar actions, with less finish). CSMC just terminated their relationship with B. Rizzini - not sure who is servicing those guns now. Guerini is working on bringing out some new OUs through Fabarm as a result their recent investment. If your need is not immediate, you might want to wait to see how that plays out. Going OT here, but a gunsmith recently told me recently that Beretta was having their lower end guns made in Turkey now.
Last edited by Doverham; 02/29/12 09:33 PM.
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Hi Hot Rod:
For your hunting a Franchi O/U would be a great choice!
They sell one that is very nice and is lightweight at about $1200.00 USD.
I do not think that you need a 3" 12 gage for pheasants! A 2-3/4" magnum 12 will be all that you need! Plus, a 3" magnum in a 6 lb. gun would make you wish that you had died in infancy!
I sometimes shoot a Beretta Ultralight and a 2-3/4" magnum is more than I need to kill pheasants over a pointer! Regular "low brass" six shot is fine for pheasants over a pointer.
In 1970, I moved to High River and the fields east of there were full of birds of all kinds!
Look at a Franchi O/U and you will see that it is not worth spending $1000.00 more for a Beretta! I was lucky to find a used Beretta Ultralight and it is a great gun if you insist upon a 12 gage.
Are you planning to hunt with a dog?
Good luck,
Franchi Franchi, how do you think the Francho holds up to the Beretta ultralight? I hunt over pointers and for the life of me cant seem to kill these pheasants "dead" with the superposed (full and mod chockes). When i use my wingmaster, they drop like rocks. Im really thinking the gun just isnt right for me.
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Doverham, thanks for the input. Im pretty limited to what i can try up here in Edmonton, Browning, CG, Yildiz, CZ, Beretta, Win 101 are plentiful but the smaller Italian and Spanish gun makers are hard to find. I would have to order without trying.
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I hunt over pointers and for the life of me cant seem to kill these pheasants "dead" with the superposed (full and mod chockes). When i use my wingmaster, they drop like rocks. Im really thinking the gun just isnt right for me. Sounds like that might be a fit issue. Have you had someone do a gunfitting for you?
Such a long, long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.
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My experiences with Coles have been very good, but their custom guns start around $6k, so they would not fit this budget. [/quote] Berettas start at $3900. His A Zoli's start at $6k according to website: https://colegun.com/shotguns-cole-custom-shotguns-c-1_24.html
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