doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion Classic & Custom Single Barreled Sporting Rifles @ doublegunshop.com American Gun Company Highwall Model 1885 Now Out

I gather that all the guns you've seen in the white were perfect when received. I know, profit is such a dirty word, socialists hate it.

The new actions I receive are always in-the-white. You might notice the one I posted in marked "Winchester".

We are kinda friends around here and the notion of someone getting the first of anything that is going to be produced in quantity, then offering it at a higher than retail price just because he has the firstest, with the description showing the seller knows nothing about the product and just wants to pump it for the best price brings the word "gouge" to mind. Even capitolists hate that word although it is becoming the Amerian Way.
Best of luck to you and the AGC, and thanks for the invitation to comment on the action.
Steve

I suppose I should just put a signature line on every posting to show what my business is.

Now let me see here. Apparently I can buy a new high wall clone action for $1000; an action that may or may not be ready to barrel and shoot, an action that may or may not accept original parts, an action that may or may not match the appearance of the rest of the production run, etc etc.

Why wouldn't I just go ahead and buy an original Winchester action? Same price or at least same price range, set triggers already available, parts interchange just fine, heat-treat already done properly, FULL braggin' rights for those who care, and no worries about safety, provenance or resale.

You say you can't find an original high wall action for a comparable price? Apparently you haven't looked very hard.....

When AGC action production is finalized and the price is somewhat lower or the price of original actions becomes higher, this will possibly become a preferable option. Until then I have several original actions that cost about the same and a thickside octagon-top clone action with PG and DSTs that cost considerably less.
Regards, Joe

The only original Winchester action I looked at was rejected by my gunsmith. He wouldn't work on it because he was concerned about liability because of its age and some evidence of past abuse. The AGC actions are ready to barrel and shoot, but polishing needs to be done yet. I will say that the other actions I have received are more fully finished than this one. AGC will complete the finishing on the action as part of their cost when they complete the gun. But the real clincher for me on not using an original Winchester action is that AGC will build a complete gun for less than it would cost me to have an original gun barreled, and to buy the wood. That does not include the labor for stocking, checkering and finishing the gun. In addition, AGC's cost for installed sights, scope bases, and other additions is about the same as I can buy the parts at wholesale. I don't think these prices will hold for long. I think they'll have to raise prices to survive. The good news is tha they have the profitability of McGowan barrels to help carry the gun company until it starts to turn a profit. I'm going to take advantage of this short-term opportunity to get some nice guns at attractive prices. I don't care if the parts will fit old Winchesters. In fact, if I were AGC, I would make sure that they didn't so that there would not be liability associated with an old gun failing and the lawsuit entangling AGC. On the auction, I lowered the starting price and hid the reserve just to see what the market says they are worth. Thanks for the comments on the rifle.


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This has been tried before; AAMOF it's been tried many, many times. The only companies still in business are the ones making actions with parts that will interchange with originals, a la Ballard, Meacham and others. I don't know the reason, exactly, but I DO know that I've seen probably a dozen different folks begin making high wall actions that used a 'improved' or otherwise-altered design and/or dimensions, and they've all gone under. Every single one.

SDH and others have made many fine rifles using original actions, with no alterations other than the usual FP bushing and action blueprinting. Your gunsmith apparently doesn't have much confidence in himself so it's probably best that you use AGC instead, while you have the chance.
Regards, Joe

As JD said. And spend your money anyway that makes you happy.But IMO a investment in a original is by far the best investment.And speaking of cost. Wait till you need a one of those special parts. And they don't make them anymore. JMO.

The first quote implies, to my mind, that you have only received one action, No.19, and you are assuming 1-18 were made.

Your second statement says you have received "other actions". Were these also highwalls or something else? Do you kow for a fact they have made more than one highwall? Please clarify.


thanks,

Rob

$ 1000.00 for a Hi Wall action of unknown quality is NUTS. A friend of mine a few weeks ago just bought two Hi Walls at the Allentown gun show, one was a 22 LR with a shot out and bulged barrel but decent wood and action for $ 650.00, and another one in 32-40 with an original Winchester single set trigger for 750.00. Both of course will need fixin up and re-finishin but so will one of the "new" ones. Who or why would anyone pay a
$ 1000.00 for something of unknown quality. Does anyone know the real retail price of it. If it's really a $ 1000.00 they wont be around long.

I like your signature line, for sure your a "Purveyor" of something.
Be careful guys.
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