How can a individual send a single box of centerfire ammo from Canada to the USA legally. tks for any help

Only know that loaded ammo can not be shipped through the U.S. mail. Wonder about UPS etc. Does it have to be declared for Customs? Hope someone here can be of more service than I.

Can US citizen buy ammo in Canada? In some countries sale of ammo is restricted to those with firearms certificate. That is how "guns" are controlled. It makes sense what good is gun without ammo? In Mass USA for example one needed state ID to buy ammo in gun store. Only stupid people would consider restriction of gun sales as a way to control guns in public domain.

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"Only stupid people would consider restriction of gun sales as a way to control guns in public domain."

Let's see if I have this straight. You're maintaining that the current BATF proposed restriction which requires the reporting of sales of more than one long gun is "stupid"?
Well : I guess you could expect this form an organization that allowed 2000+ "assault type" weapons to flow into Mexico unimpeded. And now is doing everything in it's power to stonewall on the Justice Depart,Homeland security and the FBI's involvement in this matter.
I predict that Operation Fast and Furious will be this administration Watergate.

Oh and as far as I know; It's illegal to mail ammunition internationally without proper licensing.
Jim

This is extracted from the Canadian Firearms website. It deals specifically with Firearms, not Ammunition, but there is a phone number which may be helpful:


Q. Do I need an export permit to take or ship a firearm out of Canada?

If the firearm is being exported to the United States, you only need an export permit if the firearm is prohibited. When the export and import provisions in the Firearms Act and its supporting regulations come into effect, an export permit will also be required for restricted and non-restricted firearms.

An export permit is required for any class of firearm being exported to a country other than the United States, even if the export is only temporary -- for example, if you take a firearm to another country to hunt or to target shoot. When you apply for an export permit, you must include an import permit from the country of destination and from any other countries that the firearm will be travelling through en route.

To get an application and more information, please contact the Export Controls Division of the International Trade Canada at 1 800 267-8376 or (613) 996-2397, or by sending a fax to (613) 996-9933. If you send a fax, please include a mailing address where they can send an application form.

You need ID...driver's liscence will do in most cases

It would most likely have to be handled the same as a firearm meaning it would have to go through dealers who have the necessary import/export permits. It would certainly add to the cost of the ammo. And most likely it wouldn't go by mail.

Not sure if Americans can legally buy ammo when in Canada or not. But for a Canadian you cannot legally buy ammo just by showing ID or a driver's licence. You have to have the firearms licence . If you do not, then the store is not selling it legally.

That may be written in our Canadian law but that has nothing to do with American law. If a Canadian does not get a permit from the US, then you won't be allowed into the country with a firearm.

Just checking on the Canadian Firearms site and it says for someone to legally buy ammunition from out of country they have to have a confirmed non-resident firearm declaration or a temporary borrowing licence. Now it could be when an American declares their gun at the border, say on a hunting trip, the temporary registration permit they get may give them permission to buy ammo while here.

I've bought ammo in Ontario several times and had to show my non-resident firearms declaration. As far as shipping it to the US, I have no clue as to the legality but it would most certainly have to go UPS.


Destry

Just get a Canadian P.A.L. (and register your shotgun under their long gun registry) if you're going up there on a regular basis. It makes customs a snap. With the PAL you can buy ammo or even a gun with no problem. You can also carry 200 rounds into Canada in baggage, having it shipped may be different. I just buy it up there. To bring a gun you purchase in Canada back to the US is more of a problem...Geo

I live in Canada where quite a bit of waterfowl hunting takes place. My brother lives in Minnesota and he got his PAL and registered his guns in Canada. As mentioned, it makes it easy to bring them in, there is no wait at the border and the licence is good for 5 years. It also says in the Canadian firearms laws that an American can sell a gun to a Canadian (when in Canada) if it has been permanently registered in Canada, meaning you have a PAL. This may be an option for people trying to sell a gun to someone in Canada. Once you are in Canada, it becomes Canadian Law. So if a fellow up here on a hunting trip decides to sell his gun to someone, according to Canadian law it is legal if the person has a Pal. You do not have to go through a dealer here to sell privately. You phone down to the center and transfer over the gun, no cost.

We're wandering - The question was:

"How can a individual send a single box of centerfire ammo from Canada to the USA legally."

OK, well we've established you can't ship ammo through the Postal Service and that if its legal ammo, you can bring it yourself. If you're not making the trip, then UPS or another common carrier must be utilized. The box has to have the 'ORM-D' stamp indicating ammo is enclosed at least in the US. I'd suggest taking a box down to the UPS or Fed EX office and tell'em what you want to do. They'll answer your question for you. No matter what we advise you here, the common carrier will have the final say...Geo

Importation of Small Arms Ammunition into the United States :

Importation of small ammunition into the United States is regulated by the ATF under 27CFR178.115 and 120. Authorization for importation is obtained through an approved importation permit (Form 6 Part I/ATF F 5330.3A or From 6 NIA/ATF F 5330.3D http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#firearms). For information on import permits contact the ATF at (202) 927-8320.

A Form 6 can be used to import small arms ammunition up to .50 caliber. Non-US citizens (Non-Immigrant Aliens [NIA] in ATF language) may import ammunition for display at shows. The application for the Form 6 NIA must be accompanied by a copy of either a valid hunting license or an invitation to attend a show or conference issued by an ATF approved organization. The annual IAA sponsored St Louis International Cartridge Show is ATF approved. If a NIA wishes to buy ammunition in the US it is advisable to have a hunting license. A Form 6 does not authorize the purchase of ammunition. There is no limit on the quantity of ammunition on an individual Form 6, but the ATF may question the application if the quantity is excessive. Quantities of 1000 to 2000 should generally be acceptable for an individual. Once issued, a Form 6 is valid for one year. The column marked "US MIL" is for the Munitions Import List category for the ammunition that is III.

The ATF has established a database to track arms and ammunition importation and the list attached to a Form 6 must be entered in this database which is time consuming. The ATF is also screening the list in much more detail (like the 7.62x25mm restriction above) and it is more likely that the permit will be returned for revision if it is not complete and meets all Federal requirements.

YOU SHOULD ALLOW A MINIMUM OF 4 MONTHS AND IDEALLY 6 MONTHS FOR FORM 6 APPROVAL.

Apparently, UPS does not accept international shipments of ammunition. FedEx will accept international shipments, but the shipper must complete the shipper declaration in compliance with International Air Transport Association (IATA) regulations. The person at the other end will have to contact a shipper who is IATA certified to handle the shipment.

Small arms ammunition is regulated by 49CFR173.56 (which can be found through http://hazmat.dot.gov) and is hazmat classification code 1.4S (UN Code 0014). 49 CFR 173.63 is available at http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/12feb20041500/ edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/octqtr/pdf/49cfr173.63.pdf

What I should have said in my posting but didn't was that it's probably more trouble than it's worth.

Destry

I very much appreciate everyone's help. The ammo in question is 32 Rem Auto which I use in the Remington Model 8's & 81's I collect. I guess Destry is right on this deal is way way more trouble than it's worth. Tks again, Dennis

Dennis Check your PM

How about from the US to Africa by mail (not carrying on safari)?Steve