I am wanting a 28ga for shooting flyers. First issue I am a lefty, but I can get a stock bent in short order. There isn't a shop that has a 28ga with in a 5 hour ride. I was thinking about the Browing Citori 32" that gun hits the scale a little over 7 pounds. I have a 20ga 525 that I use for doves in South America, that gun has had the stock bent slighly due to the stock bolt. Then there's Caesar Guerini Summit 32". I shot a Summit in a 12 ga a few years ago.
I am open to all ideas.

Other than a Zoli Z-Gun in the 20/28 combo, a Perazzi, or a CSMC A-10, you've about named all your options. Any particular reason for a 28 ga. flyer gun?
JR

I've shot a couple K-20 guns that were a real dream. Also a MX-20 framed gun with a 28g long barrel would be slick too.

I agree the 525/625/etc. long barreled version would be nice. I think I'd go with a 32" gun. I have a 525 in 20g/32" that I have a hard time missing with. I just think the trigger pulls stink and will need work.

I've looked hard at Guerini guns a number of times. They seem like they are a little better fitted than a Browning.

Also, look at what Joel Etchen has. I think a Beretta is a better gun than either the Browning or Guerini.
http://www.joeletchenguns.com/etchencustom.htm

Too many straights with a 20ga?

I have a K20 28 gauge, 32"....it's a really nice gun, weight wise. I bought a case of B&P 15/16oz loads and the gun soaks up the recoil from these nicely.

One thing that a good friend of mine pointed out, Krieghoff bores their 28 gauge barrels out to approximately .543 while Perazzi will bore their 28 gauge barrels out to .555 from the factory (you need to ask the dealer to order from Perazzi the .555 bore size). He has said he has received better patterns, from the Perazzi than the Krieghoff from the overbored barrels.

I'm kind of on the fence with this 28 gauge underbore/overbore and whether to sell my K gun and go with a P gun in 28 gauge: I am breaking clays from 40+ yards out so the K20 28 gauge works for me. I still would like to try a MX20/28 though.

When I inquired about a set of 28 gauge barrels for my MX20, the barrels alone cost $5600 and with a forearm, cost $7100. A whole new gun, the MX20 with 28 gauge barrels, fixed choke, would cost around $11k.

Whoa! I appreciate a p-gun, but that sure makes a Beretta look more attractive.

There are some parts of the world that have 28ga events. I'd be shooting 3-4 of these a year. Not a fan of K guns,as mention Perazzi wants a bundle for a set of barrels on the 12ga frame. So my thinking was get an entry level 28 to fool with before I go deep into the 28.

BB,
I've owned a number of Brownings, the early Citori line up thru the 90s sometime, was a pretty well made gun. My 525, while a good shooter, is a not so well made/fitted gun. My foray into Beretta's was tentative, but I found they were consistantly well made guns, albeit utilitarian. A Beretta from Etchen would be my choice if I wasn't ready to commit to a P-gun yet.

I have a Miroku MK70 in 28ga w/30" barrels and like it a lot. Don't know if it's available with 32's, but worth a look. As has been noted in the past, Mirokus seem to be just a tad nicer and lighter than the comparable Browning pieces.

Only problem is Beretta's are not available in 32" bbls in 28 ga. Most Berettas in 28 ga. are on a 20 ga. frame and don't weigh much over 6 1/2 lbs., not conducive to extended target shooting. You can sometimes find 30" 28 ga. bbls. for a 12 ga, frame and make up a 7 3/4-8 lb. gun.
JR

My K20 28 gauge 32" comes in at approx. 8 & 1/4 lbs....I don't think I would want to go less than 8lbs on the dot if you were going to shoot anything over the standard 3/4 oz 28 gauge loads.

As I recall, the 28 gauge flyer events restrict the shell to 3/4 ounce loads. I can't remember the restriction in .410 events.

"Not a fan of K-Guns" really has nothing to do with the K-20. I've shot a half dozen big frame K-Guns over the years and the K-20 isn't anything like them. In my diminished physical condition, I would give up all my big K-Guns for a nice K-20.

Why hasn't anyone suggested Briley tube sets? Not sure what your 12 gauge gun is but you could get a set of Briley full lenght tube sets with choke tubes and keep your same feel of your 12 bore gun.
I personelly never shot flyers with a 28 bore and never saw the event. Always did the 12 bore event.

if going with Perazzi, I would try to seek out someone who has a Perazzi 12 gauge frame with 28 gauge barrels, if you haven't already. I had handled such a gun at Giacomo's shop in April. I had asked about what subgauge barrels felt like on a 12 gauge frame and Dan took a new MX8 sporting gun he had and slapped 30" 28 gauge barrels on it, with half ventilated ribs. It felt like dead weight, definetly not "lively" and seemed heavier than my K20. But I don't know what kind of handling dynamics you prefer...

Has anyone had positive/negative opinions on the Perazzi subgauge barrels fitted to a 12 gauge frame?

Murphy is right again. The K-20 is everything the K-80 is not. It's pretty lively, although still a bit heavier than a Citori XS in 20 ga.

The XS Sport in 28 ga is an excellent target gun. If you like a lighter gun, that might be the way to go. I see them on the used market frequently. A shade over 7 lbs.

I have just never understood the long barrel BS. but of course that is just me.

Hard to believe that anyone would need more than this

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=240275997

but who knows, eh?

I don't know the gun or the seller just a FYI kinda thing

Dr.WtS

One plus for the Miroku, and I believe they have 32" barrels

I have a Browning XS Sporting in 32" 28ga. Seems like a great place to start.

Might be worth contacting Coles in Maine about what they could put together for a 28 ga. Beretta sporting gun. They build customized Berettas and Zolis and have a lot of spare parts to work with.

I've found it easy to put weight into a gun. Never found it easy to take weight out.

Although I still have a 525 Browning 20g that I shoot well, I feel they are not anywhere near the quality of a Beretta. The 12g framed gun is certainly an option if the gun has to be near 8 lbs. I've found I like lighter guns down around 7 lbs even and if they are forward balanced like my 525 32" 20g, I shoot them very well for me.

WtS

Thanks for the link, she's a little light for the me. After a few calls the Caesar Guerini Summit can be had with a left handed stock, adjustable comb, with 30's or 32's for a resonable price. The bonus is it would hit the scale at 7# 6ozs. That to me is do'able. for flyers. I have a Browning 30" 20ga 525 that has been a real workhorse down South America for years. The nice thing I like about the Browning is the Tramline rib like my Perazzi.
The CG is just matted not that is going to be a deal breaker but as some know Flyer shooters have some quarks when it comes to shooting. NO other game have I seen odd rituals.

Guess I'll have to weigh my 28 - not that I really care hahaha

Since I don't see the rib when I shoot it is just a matter of aesthetics to me. Which actually only comes down to the gun having something besides a swamped rib which to me looks like they forgot to finish the gun. But folks obsess about some strange sh7t for sure. My obsession of course is the incessant wonder that people can be so stupid as to not see things my way.

Dr.WtS

My obsession of course is the incessant wonder that people can be so stupid as to not see things my way.

Yeah me too, all SxS's should have vent ribs, beavertails and single triggers. I ordered a Caesar 28ga 30" tubes, left handed stock with a palm swell,topped with an adjustable comb.
Should have it Sat and get down to dialing it in. Those lighter guns just feel to whippy to me. I like a nice 21 crowbar that handles like a club.

BB,
Just curious, does the CG lefty have a lefty toplever?

CH I hope not. I am so used to the lever working to right it might play with me. I ordered 5 different cases of ammo today all 3/4oz as stated above legal load.

I am going to pattern and get her dialed in sunday, now what pellet size in the first barrel is the big decision. 8.5 8 or 2 7.5's??? I have always been a bottom barrel 8 shot man then 7.5 for the follow up. I know some guys that shoot 8's in bot but I never mentally had good faith in the 8 shot towards the back of the fence. I wonder how that 8.5 would do for the first shot.

What is your choke constriction for 28 gauge flyer events? More or less the same for 12 gauge?

Shoulda got the 32's, shoulda got the the 32's...
JR

S99 From speaking with the dealer the bore will be .555 so there's a slight over bore. Once I get it on paper I'll have a better idea of what choke. I really like to know how those 8.5 pellets would do at the 32 yard mark.

BB,
Really like to hear your take on the gun after you have had it and shot/patterned it a good deal. I've often contemplated one of these.

same here....would like to hear how you made out with your CG, what loads you patterned, what choke constrictions, etc. etc....maybe even a pic...I'm always looking for a new subgauge gun to consider buying. Thanks.

The CG isn't to shabby, left palm swell is checkered nicely, the adjustable comb was cut pretty tight. The chokes look like there Seminole. I had purchased a IM and F.

I only have 1 type of ammo right now and that is Win AA 7.5 3/4oz 1300fps. I dialed in the comb, shot some patterns and might need to use IM/IM. That full was tight as all hell.
With the comb it hits the scale right at 7#3oz more to follow.