I have been around here a long time and somewhere I have the load data that Jerry gathered for us.

BUT... I moved a couple of years ago. Shortly before the move I sent my 10ga to the 'smith for an overhaul. I should get it back soon and need to load for it but I have not unpacked the boxes that have the load data.

I have Federal hulls and SP-10 wads and need to fold crimp.

Can someone check the loads and post one that uses these two components?

I'm having trouble attaching the file so if you post your e-mail address I will send you the data that Sherman Bell and Tom Armbrust developed.

Mike- Watcha gonna due with that 10 ga in Pa? I have a freind who lives about 100 miles north of Pittsburg but he quit hunting years ago even though it looks like it should be great water fowling country.

marksman60@hotmail.com

Initially just shoot some clays.
This gun killed a fair share of ducks in Utah with bismuth shot and blackpowder.

After that I don't know what I'll do. I now have some severe back problems so waterfowling is a different game than it used to be.

Sorry to hear that, Mike. Hope it gets better.

Cary,

Thanks for the kind words.

Anyone have this information? TwiceBarrel hasn't sent it to my email as of this moment.

Mike: Sherman Bell wrote an article in the Double Gun Journal about loads for "the other 10 ga's, 2 5/8" and 2 7/8". If you don't have it handy, I'll be glad to look it up for you. Think you can still run down a turkey?

Mike, if you don't get the information you need, e-mail me your address and I'll send you a copy of the data the "10 gauge group" put together.

Mike I re-sent the load data to the e-mail address you posted and asked for a delivery conformation and received this return message:

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Did you receive the data or are there gremlins in the system?

Cut your FEDERAL PLASTIC HULL down to 2 and 7/8 of an inch overall length. RESIZE and REPRIME with a Federal 209A primer. Use 18.0 grains of Hodgdon's CLAYS. Use the Remington 10 gauge wad known as SP-10 with old 16 gauge card wads inside the shotcup to take up the unused space. Use 1 and 1/4 ounce of number 8 or number 7 and 1/2 LEAD SHOT. I like to put two thin 16 gauge card wads in the bottom of the shotcup and one thin 16 gauge card wad on top of the lead shot and then STAR CRIMP the hull. The card on top of the shot keeps any of the shot from leaking out. I use a highly modified PW Mag-No-Matic reloading tool to do all of this. A final TAPER CRIMP DIE is available from PW to make this reload really look good. The TAPER CRIMP DIE is the same die for 12 gauge and 10 gauge if I remember correctly. The old ALCAN primer works even better that the Fed 209A primer. NO other 209 primer will work, they just do not fit the Federal brown plastic hull. Good Shooting To You, Jent....jentpmitchell@msn.com

A PDF copy of the Sherman Bell 2 7/8" loads is located here:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1092

nhcrowshooter. The files listed on parkerguns was compiled by me. Whoever posted the files didn't post the notes on the hulls to go with it so those receipes are incomplete and could possibly get someone in trouble. I will send Mike a new copy from my files.

Jerry,
Could you send me a copy of your new files also. I printed a copy of the Parker posting and thought there was something amiss.

Thanks,

Jack K

TwiceBarrel,

Both your emails came through at the same time. Hotmail isn't always the best but I've had the addy for a long time.

Thanks!

Jerry, I got your email also! Thanks!

Now I need to put together the tool to shorten the hulls.

Best regards all,

Mike,

The cutting tool I use costs about 50 cents. Take a piece of dowel about 3 inches longer than the shell. Choose a dowel close to the interior diameter of the hull. Drill a 1/4" hole at 90 degrees to the long axcess of the dowel. Drill it so it is a little above where the finished length of the hull will be. Insert an exacto blade through the hole horizontally. You want the blade's cutting edge tilted downward toward the hull. This tilt is about 15-20 degrees. Insert the dowel in the hull and turn it as you press into the hull. If the dowel stops the cut before you get the correct shell length, rasp off the lower end of the dowel until you get the length required. I can cut about 100 hulls to length in about 10 minutes this way. Takes about as long to describe the tool as to make it.

I use about the same system that Jerry described but instead of drilling a hole into the dowel I make a saw cut with a very fine blade about half way through the dowel and insert a safety (single edge) razor blade into the cut. I found that the razor blade makes a much cleaner cut especially if you use it on paper as well as plastic hulls.

I use my Lefever "E" 10 as my go to Pheasant gun, when the weather is nice and they are jumping waaay out there. Mr Joe Wood left me a bunch of his loads which are very effective. If he is around, maybe he would share that recipe...They work!

O.K., all you lovers of the old 10 bores. Here's my world famous all purpose load that Last Dollar keeps raving about. Y'all gotta promise not to let this secret recipe become public though. This is one whomper/stomper load fer big feathered creatures!

1 1/4 oz lead
Federal plastic hull cut to 2 7/8"
Winchester 209 primer
35 grains IMR 4756
Remington SP 10 plastic wad (1 16 ga .125 wad inside shot cup)
Six fold crimp

Reported as 5,800 psi and 1194 fps.

Note: 1 1/4 oz bismuth fills SP10 nicely without the wad filler.
Hulls and wads from Ballistic Products

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If that ain't enough firepower fer you then stuff this down the bore:

1 1/2 oz shot
Federal plastic hull
Winchester 209 primer
34 grains IMR 4756
Ballistic Product X10X plastic over powder wad and 3/8" fiber filler wad
Mylar shot collar
6 point crimp*

Reported to be 7,000 psi and 1,167 fps.

*Note: An overshot card made a prettier crimp. If using bismuth I just use the same volume shot as with lead. It will weigh less but has the same number of shot. The duck won't know the difference. I quit using buffer in the bismuth cause it's too much trouble--to heck with it.

Disclaimer: I have no idea if the pressures and velocities listed for either of these loads are correct. They're what I've read somewhere and personally use. I have shot a lot of both and my damascus barreled guns haven't blown up (yet).

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Here's some birdies that took the 1 1/4 oz of Bismuth. Gun is a Parker DH #3 frame 10 bore

Jerry,

Your tool is what I had in mind. A stop a Lowes today for a piece of dowel.

Thanks all!

Hello Jerry,

I would very much appreciate a copy of your loading data also. A WC Scott followed me home not long ago and will be accompanying me to the field next fall. The beast will need to be fed with appropriate low pressure loads. Thanks so much, Don Hansen. dskeeter1@wmbarqmail.com. Thanks agin, Don.

Jerry, My hand is out for the 10 bore information. Thanks in advance. raven@freeway.net Randy

Back with more questions.

I see Clays and Longshot both listed on the spread sheet but NOT with the Federal hull.

Has anyone here sent a load with the FEDERAL hull using these powders to Tom Armbrust for testing?

I have the other powders listed but would like other options as I try to optimize a load.

Thanks!

Yes, I use Longshot in Federal hulls with the 209A primer for my 2-7/8" 10 gauge guns (Lefever C and Darne R-16). Sent my initial load to Tom A and he recommended more Longshot. If you PM me or email, I'll give more details...

Regards

Tim,

Email sent to the address in your profile.

Replied in detail to your email from my current email. Regret had not changed mine on the profile since Compuserve classic died...

Regards, Tim

Tim,

Read your email. Thanks!

Quick question, the loads you emailed me all appear to be roll crimped. Is that correct?

Best regards,

Mike

PS Are you back in the DC area or still overseas? I will be spending some time in the National Archives over the next few months.

Mike,

Yes, All are roll crimped with an antique British 10 ga. roll crimper. I do have the ones that fit into a drill press, but haven't really seen the need to try them out yet.

Am back in DC and we live six blocks from the Capitol just off Pennsylvania Ave. SE. Would welcome a chance to get you over for dinner. Send an email and I'll reply with home/cell phone numbers.

Regards, Tim